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Original Message Added : 20 Apr 2012
 
I have just become self employed but also have a full time job.

I have registered as self employed (about 4 weeks ago.)

How long will it take HMRC to get back to me? When they do get back to me will they sent literature to explain what happens next?

How do I claim for pre trading expenses?

I also use my own car for travelling to clients. Is it best that I claim for fuel costs only and how do I prove the mileage for fuel reimbursements costs?

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Reply : 20 Apr 2012
 
HMRC probably won't send you anything now until it is time to file your self assessment tax return. The next thing you will receive from them will be the tax return to fill out.

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Reply : 23 Apr 2012
 
On average it takes HMRC about a month to reply. If you commenced self employment before 7 April 2012 you will need to complete a self assessment tax return for 2011 2012. Best to discuss this with HMRC after you receive their correspondence including a contact telephone number.

Check this HMRC link on pre-tradng expenses. http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/bimmanual/bim46351.htm You don't identify the type of expense. Are they general administration costs, buying stock, etc?

You should keep a log book of the business mileage of your private car and you can then claim 45p per mile as a business expense, up to the first 10,000 miles. If you travel more it does down to 25p per mile.   

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Reply : 23 Apr 2012
 
Hi thanks for the replies. The pre trading expenses were things like, equipment, advertising, insurance etc. I will also have on going expenses for updating training can I claim for this as well?

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Reply : 23 Apr 2012
 
Advertising and insurance, yes. Training prior to trading, no. Re. the purchase of equipment, yes although the accounting treatment is complicated. If you are unsure at this point and have no accounting training, you should contact a qualified bookkeeper or accountant for help. Sorry, my previous message s/have read 'before 6 April 2012'

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Reply : 8 May 2012
 
Just some additional comments to those already posted. You will receive a UTR - Unique Tax Payers Reference and also need to start paying class 2 national insurance unless an exception applies due to low profits. Also note that assumimg profits are high enough you could end up paying class 4 NI , as well as class 2 together with your class 1 in employment. But there are maximum contributions payable overall.Pre trading expenses are treated as a loss on the first day of trading and are simply treated as expenses in the basis period (Tax accounting period) you use. Using the tax year-end is not always the best tax planning option and is not compulsary.Simply keep a log of from-to, who you saw, and mileage and the taxman will normally be happy. Not that he'll ever see it unless you have an enquiry. The rate you claim is not for just fuel but for all your motor running expenses - services, tax, insurance, fuel, breakdown etc. Hence the 45p as mentioned already.Note however, that a turnover in excess of the VAT threshhold prohibits the use of mileage scheme and actual expenses should be claimed instead in total less and adjustment for private use normally done on reasonable percentage basis.Some things you may be able to claim forUse of home as office, landline business calls, mobile phone, print, post and advertising, B&B costs and meals while staying away. But entertaining is generally not tax deductible.Look up Annual Investment Allowances for 'depreciation' of any equipment (AIA)Consider the impact of any working tax credits you may be entitled to, and also if the business becomes really profitable setting up a limited company to shelter profits at a lower rate.Furthermore, if the business makes a loss then those losses may be carried back to previous employment income creating tax repayments, hence the reason AIA should be considered carefullyhope this helps

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Reply : 8 May 2012
 
Thank you for the information Richard, it has helped a lot. They tax shouldn't be taxing but to the uninitiated I'm afraid it most certainly is. Your tips have really helped. Thank you

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